Evolution and Intelligent Design - The way to an agreement

'Design' vs 'Design without a designer'

The purpose of this article is to show how the Theory of Evolution (as a valid scientific theory) and Theism (as a valid philosophical theory) can coexist in the BioLogos schema proposed by Collins. I will show that the theory of Wallace-Darwin and "theism" may both be serious and logical explanations of our existence, each one adhering to different part of knowledge space.

A blind watchmaker is still a watchmaker...

"I do not wish to judge how far my efforts coincide with those of other philosophers. Indeed, what I have written here makes no claim to novelty in detail, and the reason why I give no sources is that it is a matter of indifference to me whether the thoughts that I have had have been anticipated by someone else."
Ludwig Wittgenstein, Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus

 

Introduction

The Theory of Evolution of Wallace and Darwin is one of the most discussed theory nowadays. Some think that the implications of the theory on our existence are significant, others that they are not. The true nature of evolution is one of the most popular things that trouble modern philosophers and scientists as well.
This article will deal with the question "Can and should the theory of evolution be applied to other fields besides biology, like philosophy?" and it will try to justify that "No" is the correct answer. I will also attempt to present the basic points of a theory called BioLogos which attempts to reconcile the valid biological theory of evolution with the philosophical stance of theism.
 

What is the theory of Evolution

The theory of evolution is a biology theory according to which that species have evolved through time by means of natural selection. So the phrase "Theory of Evolution by means of natural selection" is the full-correct term. Random mutations generate variations in species and natural selection sees that only the fittest ones for survival do actually survive. Weak (i.e. not fit for survival) animals die. There have been many version of the Theory of Evolution. The initial theory proposed by Russel and Darwin has changed a lot since then. The so called "neo-Darwinian" synthesis is what refers to the new "version" of that theory. [1]
 

Theory of Evolution is correct!

The first thing that must be said is that the theory of evolution [note: with the term "evolution" I refer to the "micro-evolution of species" (see below)] is a valid, well evidenced and elegant biology theory. It explains the evolution of species and their characteristics and noone can scientifically seriously argue against it. Many fossils show how evolution really worked in the past. Live examples also exist - consider the viruses which grow more immune to antibiotics in hospital environments. It is more than true that random DNA mutations do exist and that all species increase their chances of survival by natural selection: most weak ones dies and thus the total population tends to keep the most beneficial of these mutations as time passes. You can hardly find a modern biologist who denies the theory of evolution.
Such a clarification is of the utmost importance. Most public debates on evolution are caused by the denial of the validity of the theory of evolution by people who believe in God. What I want to clarify here is that the theory of evolution is a correct and valid biological theory that has nothing to do with philosophical problems of existence. Many geneticists (like Francis Collins) practice biology and at the same time believe in God!
It is actually a pitty that some narrow-minded people today "use" the idea of Christianity to promote ideas like the "God created the world in 6 actual man-days". We should not confuse Christian tradition and old texts with religion philosophy and with scientific facts. Please refer to my Knol What a Christian is NOT for more details on these issues and an analysis of how one can be a Christian with no such "conflicts".

Some common misconceptions

It is generally very important to clarify the things one talks about. Most disagreements are a result of language misunderstandings. That is why Socrates, the great Greek philosopher, throught that before discussing anything you should first define the things that you will talk about.
 

Not one single "Theory of Evolution" exists

Since Russel Wallace and Charles Darwin there have been many debates between biologists about evolution and its mechanisms. One must bear in mind that not ONE theory of evolution exists. There are many different versions of the theory, some of which have great differences. [2]
 
What some evolutionary biologists think about the main aspects of evolution are depicted below. [1]
 
Common ancestor 
Gradual evolution 
Population-based speciation
Natural selection
Lammark
No
Yes 
No
No 
Darwin
 Yes
 Yes
Yes 
Yes 
Haeckel
 Yes
 Yes
?
Partially
New-lamarcians
Yes
Yes
Yes
No
T.H. Huxley 
 Yes
 No
No
No
de Vries
 Yes
 No
No
No
T.H. Morgan
 Yes
 No
No 
 Insignificant
TABLE 1 - Various aspects of Theory of Evolution for some biologists
 
The table above is a simple indication of the Theory of Evolution is not just one solid piece of theory. What we refer today as "Theory of Evolution" is the modern evolutionary synthesis which was based on Darwin's theory but not for every of its aspects. In fact, many things advocated by Darwin in his time, are now considered completely wrong. That is the way science promotes and progresses: constant criticism of existing theories. That is not something bad. I mention it just because we must have it in mind if we want to really understand the depth and meaning of the theory of evolution.
We should remember that Charles Darwin did not propose only one thing about evolution but many. Along with the mechanism of natural selection, he also proposed for example the fact that all species come from a common ancestor. Knowing what you talk about is crucial.
 

Not one universal definition of "evolution" exists

People generally hold one of three beliefs concerning the origin of species:

  • Naturalistic evolution: Evolution happened according to purely natural forces and processes without any divine guidance.
  • Theistic evolution / Intelligent design: Evolution happened and its mechanism was/is created/guided by God. These two terms are oftenly misunderstood and used wrongly. The ID movement is a movement that attempts to prove the theory of evolution wrong, while theistic evolution accepts the validity of the theory of evolution while at the same time accepts God as the source of its mechanism. Francis Collins has proposed the term "BioLogos" (see below).
  • Creationism: Species were created separately by God.

When a person is asked in polls if they believe in evolution, they might interpret the question as belief in naturalistic evolution only. Alternately, they might consider it as asking whether one believes in either naturalistic or theistic evolution. Pollsters tend to like simple yes and no answers. Sometimes they do not handle questions well where there are three discrete positions.

To what does "Evolution" refer to?

Almost all biologists use the term "evolution" to talk about two different things: the evolution of a species being the first and the creation of new species being the second. This confusion could be a result of a mistake or ignorance, but it almost certainly is the result of bad intentions: Because hard scientific data that prove the creation of new species are difficult to find (if any), scientists (or better "scientists with a hidden agenda") use the same term for both these notions in order to base their belief in the second to evidence they have for the first. Evidence for the evolution within a specific species do exist (micro-evolution). However evidence for the creation of new species (macro-evolution) do not exist in the extent some scientists would want. For example various experiments with thousands of generations of fruit-flies have not resulted in the creation of a new fruit-fly species. That is why they deliberately (?) use the same term for both - so that confusion may make some people think evidence for the first also support the second. You can visit the very insightful Knol on that subject Evolution - Facts, Theories, and Fiction.
 

Scope of Theory of Evolution is limited

Another misconception is related to the breadth of issues covered by evolution / design. Some people (like me) regard evolution as a scientific theory covering only the development of life forms from the first one-celled animal to the present diversity of plants and animals - thus leaving space for thinking human as being something more than dust and electones. Others (like Dawkins) include the origins of the universe, the reason of our existence [which they believe it does not exist, since natural selection and physics laws existed there for ever and with no reason at all], the development of galaxies, stars, planetary systems, development of mountain ranges, continental drift, etc - thus leaving no space for purpose or something more 'spiritual' in our lifes. In my opinion it is of the utmost importance to recognize the scope of the Theory of Evolution and be very careful not to go beyond it. Science can explain the physical phenomena, but not the super-natural ones. The latter must be left to the philosophers...
In that aspect, the Theory of Evolution is a biological theory as stated above and NOT a philosophical one...
 
Can a watch exist without a watchmaker? 
 
Thus, it is difficult to answer the question "do you believe in evolution" with a simple "yes" or "no" without first having clarified the above. It may be better to leave the details of biological diversity to the scientists and the great metaphysical questions to the philosophers. According to an opinion that is becoming more and more popular over time, natural selection is something that explains well how species evolved, but does not answer any of the philosophical questions man has from the beginning of time, nor does it rule out the existence of God or purpose in the Universe.


Evolution does not explain everything...

The main reason that lies behind the Theory of Evolution - Intelligent Design advocates is that some evolutionary biologists try to get out of their realm of expertise and attempt to use the Darwin-Wallace theory of evolution for things it never meant to answer in the first place. I do not believe in natural selection as an explanation to everything…According to the logic of many people (and not their faith) it seems illogical to base human existence on probabilities and to think that all the beautiful things people do are just a product or probabilities – that the human existence as a whole (not human evolution through the last 1,000,000 years, which may be well explain via Darwin) is based on probabilities. For example, for me it is logical to say that since people perform altruistic actions to stranger that are not made public to anyone else, then the theory of evolution must have missed something there… The logic of someone else might say something else. Noone has evidence to explain altruism or love or all emotions right now.
And it is unfortunate that some people use the findings of evolution theory to claim that “Species evolved” => “No Grand Designer needed” => “God doesn’t exist / Purpose doesn’t exist”. It is a very popular line of thinking among atheists and one of the reasons for the conflict that some people wish to exist.
In other words: even though I think the theory of evolution is correct for the explanation of species evolution and biodiversity, I don’t think it applies to the beginning of life (how inorganic matter turned into living organisms), the existence/non-existence of purpose or to other grand metaphysical questions.
 
What is more, many great biologists even think that the dogma (axiom) of modern science that humans are just an evolved form of animals is questionable. Alfred Russel Wallace, the founder of the Theory of Evolution (see Russel Wallace and the Theory of Evolution) believed that evolution mechanisms could not be applied to humans. Humans do have some higher quality intellectuall and spirituall skills that can not easily be seen as extended, improved "versions" of respective skills animals have.

To quote the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy “The more general philosophical issues associated with evolutionary theory—those surrounding natural teleology, ethics, the relation of evolutionary naturalism to the claims of religious traditions, the implications for the relation of human beings to the rest of the organic world—receive no single solution from evolutionary science”. [3]
Science is theory-driven, not evidence-based. First theories are proposed and then they are backed up with evidence. So for the matters of altruism, love, purpose one may propose a theory, I may propose another. This is what scientists do. I cannot understand why a theory should be allowed to be spoken and another not. Saying that a ‘Grand Designer’ is the cause of Universe’s existence is as scientific as claiming that ‘Nothing’ is the cause for Universe’s existence!
 
Until we have all the answers it is not proper for any of us to claim he holds the key to the ultimate truth. Especially biologists should be very carefull when addressing these issues. Dealing with human life and existence is a very sensitive matter.
 

The problem of ethics

The Theory of evolution has really hard time dealing with ethics. If survival is the ultimate purpose, then what stops us from lying or killing to make sure that we survive? We say that "killing is bad" or "lying is bad", but what if you had to kill or lie in order to survive as species? Does that mean that - by the Theory of Evolution - we did the "right" thing? And what if a Muslim kills people in Europe in order for him to survive? Would that make his actions moral or more "correct"? And what if a Christian killed in the name of "God" so as to survive in what he sees as an atheistic theatening environment? And what if communists killed religious people so as to keep the state running and help their ideas "survive"? Do the "survival" needs of anyone justify his - ovisously - wrong actions when examined via the filter of the Theory of Evolution? I do not think many people would agree with that. And that is why morality is one of the things evolution cannot explain. Things that are so "obvious" to everyone (like "you shouldn't kill") are not so obvious for Darwin.
 

The "poison" of materialism

Many scientists are materialists and they often confuse that philosophical stance with the very nature of science. As I mention in other Knols (see The Limits of Science) materialism (or physicalism) is a not-proven proposition [4] and basing everything on it is a matter of choice with no objective way to know anything about its "validity". Materialism excludes the possibility of the existence of spirit or anything different than matter in the cosmos, so it is not surprising that scientists who believe that view cannot "find" anything different between the humans and the animals. Be careful to know the underlying foundation of the other opinions, so as not to confuse "opinion" with "scientifically validated truth"...
 

Great scientists' objections for evolution

Many great scientists object to the belief that the theory of evolution explains everything - with the most critical questions not answerable by evolution being human properties and the great metaphysical questions of existence. Among these scientists two men are worth special reference:
 
  • Alfred Russel Wallace: Wallace was the person who first publicly promoted the idea of evolution via means of natural selection, one year before Darwin published the same exactly theory. He was elected head of the anthropology section of the British Association in 1866, president of the Entomological Society of London in 1870 and head of the biology section of the British Association in 1876. In his work 'The Limits of Natural Selection as Applied to Man' (S165:1869/1870) [http://www.wku.edu/~smithch/wallace/S165.htm], he argues that the theory of evolution cannot explain 'higher' human properties. He proposed the existence of a 'Higher Intelligent' being' to explain such things as the passing of inorganic matter to living matter or the existence of consiousness [5].
  • Francis S. Collins: A genetist that was the head of the Human Genome Project. He is a believer in God and does not believe that the theory of evolution can explain everything. He has also published a book to provide 'evidence for belief' (see Bibliography). [6] [7]
 

Dr. Francis Collins interview on CNN

 
The existence of such big scientists that are leaders in the biology section of science, puzzles many atheists. This should not be the case however, since many logical arguments exist in favour of the existence of intelligent design in nature and human in particular.
 

Towards BioLogos

BioLogos [8] is a new term proposed by Collins [9] so as to refer to "theistic evolution" in a way that cannot be confused or misunderstood in any way with other "ID" theories. It also does not use the term "theistic" in it so as to avoid any confusion with "creationism" theories. This new term frees us from the burden to analyze and clarify any possible intermix with existing theories and provides us with a "fresh start" in order to build the theory of "the existence of an ultimate being" in the world.
BioLogos schema is actually a line of thinking that is in favour of the existence of a Designer  (God) in cosmos. That Designer is the source of the laws and every complexity in Universe. The existence of a Designer does not mean that Evolutuon theory is wrong - quite the contrary. The world is designed by a Designer and then it evolves based on the physical laws (e.g. evolution mechanism) established in its design. What that Designer does and if he/she/it unterferes with the everyday life is a point that is not clear up to now and mostly irrelevant to the basic principle advocated by BioLogos Theory (at least up to the point I have understood): that a purpose exists in the Universe.
The BioLogos theory tries to (successfully) combine the theory of species evolution via natural selection (at a biological level) and the philosophy of purpose existing in the universe (at a philosophical level), thus attempting to avoid the error conducted by the Theory of Evolution (which tries to cover both science and philosophical level with one purely biological theory).
Thus, it can be said that the "BioLogos" theory is actually a "marriage" between the biological scientific theory of Evolution and the philosophical stand point of theism (and not a new biological theory). The BioLogos theory does not deny the Theory of Evolution, but it fully accepts it. Its arguments just take a stand for the philosophical problems concerning our existence ("why do we exist", "is there a purpose in our lifes" etc), with which the Theory of Evolution has nothing to do at all.
 

Arguments in favour of BioLogos

There are many logical arguments in favour of the BioLogos theory. The main thing one must bear in mind is that the differences between Theory of Evolution and BioLogos theory have nothing to do with the details of biology. Both theories accept that the "evolution through natural selection" concept is correct for species (although many argue that it does not apply to humans). However if someone attempts to [wrongly] apply the theory of evolution to the abstract level of philosophical questions, then conflict do arise. Some of the logical arguments in favour of the BioLogos theory include:
 
  1. If causality exists in the world (i.e. everything happening has a prior cause), then everything must have a cause. So the Big Bang must in turn have a prior cause, that cause another cause and so on. However it is not logical to say that the Universe exists for ever without any reason. It is not logical to say that there is no initial cause to the existence of the cosmos, because you would then deny the fact that causality exists: it is not logical to say that everything has a cause, but that the existence of universe has not! So there must be an initial cause that would 'break' that indefinite chain of causes (this is the "First Cause" argument - see Religional Science for an analysis of the argument). The initial cause proposed by the theory of theistic evolution / BioLgos is a divine creator, since only such a being can play the role of an initial cause (since that divine creator is outside the bounds of time and space - thus not requiring a prior cause for its own existence). In the same way the theory of Evolution proposes (but has not proven scientifically) that there is no initial cause. None of these arguments can be proven with hard data. However the proposal of the Intelligent Design theory is more logical (and logic is a scientific tool).
  2. Most things in life seem to have a purpose for their existence (teleological argument). Many aspects of human life propose that we have a higher purpose in life. We everyday strive to improve spiritually and intellectually, we write and read poetry, we cry when we hear a favourite song, we choose to give our precious life for abstract noble ideas (like freedom or dignity or love), etc. If our life as dust particles is the only thing we have, then we would never choose to commit suicide. No hard evidence can be found for the existence of purpose in the Universe. However it is a logical thing to say such a thing. Claiming that existence is an accident seems highly illogical and, thus unscientific, for a species that creates art, thinks, loves, cries... We everyday try to improve ouselfs and go past the strict boundaries of our mortal bodies, everyday we try to improve our spirit and our souls, so telling that we have the same purpose in the world as a banana sounds rather 'not correct'.
  3. The Achilles’ heel of the theory of evolution seems to be "goodness". Humans have the tendency to be altruistic, do good to other people not for gaining profit but just because they want to do good. This is impossible to be explained in a world were the "survival of the fittest" rule (i.e. theory of evolution) exists. Despite numerous attempts to explain altruism and goodness as a result of evolution, no such thing has ever been acomplished. Male apes or lions may kill the offsprings of other males so that they can dominate, females may eat the males after reproducing, monkeys of a team may attack monkeys in another team, but humans may do good to other humans EVEN THOUGH that will gain them nothing (consider for example altruistic actions that happen in private without the one doing good wanting to say publicly what he/she has done). Only the existence of a higher purpose and a 'Designer' who has embedded in us the sense of Moral Law and the tendency to be good can explain such a behaviour.
  4. The Universe itself has been proven scientifically that it is specifically designed to support life. Some 10 basic universe parameters (like the gravitational constant, the electon charge etc) have exactly the value they have to so as to support life: a minor change to the 200-th decimal point to any of those parameters would condemn us to non-existence. This looks like design - and the existence of a designer the only logical explanation for such a thing to exist.
  5. Modern developments in molecular biology strongly indicate that the concept of 'design' is inherent in nature and the various species. Darwin did not know about the concept of DNA, which on its own shows that many traits of humans are coded into genes. Above all, the fact that we are beginning to design new forms of life on owr own (e.g. imrpove the human genome, create new viruses for biological weapons etc) clearly shows that the idea of 'design' in life is more than just a theological idea - it is rather part of reality.
 
[Please refer to the article Religional Science for a more extensive analysis of these arguments.]

Important thing to note about logic: Even Aristotle, the founder of Logic, did not know what logic was useful about. He could not say whether logic is a tool to find the ultimate truth or just a tool to discover the limits of our language. Post-modern philosophers have thought much on that. To be precise, we do not even know whether such a thing as 'ultimate truth' even exists! As Wittgenstein once said, we cannot know the boundaries of our thought, because in order to do that we should be able to think of what we cannot think!
One can clearly counter-argue that logic says that since we have no hard measurable evidence for the existence of purpose in the universe, then non exists. That could very well be the case. The point is that my logic may not reach the same conclusions as your logic. The logic of Godel (the greatest mathematician-logican after Aristotle) told him that God existed (see my knol Religional Science). The logic of another person might say something different. That is the reason why people argue for many things. It is human. I do not claim that I have the key to the ultimate knowledge, but I would ask from everyone else not to claim such thing either (those who think they do, try and read my knol The Limits of Science).
 

BioLogos critique

Many people who are against the theistic evolution proposed by BioLogos theory as a philosophical idea believe that it has already been famously demolished by David Hume in his Dialogues Concerning Natural Religion (1779). The fact that Hume could only provide a plausible criticism of intelligent design, but not an alternative explanation for the complexity and diversity of life, was remediated by the theory of Russell-Darwin [9]. However what these people fail to see is that while they talk against the notion of combining philosophy (and in particular the idea of "theism") with biology, they do the same when they conclude that the Theory of Evolution has proved that a divine creator is not required.
 

Debate over BioLogos

Many people ofter misunderstand terms used and I am no exceptio to that. When I read books over the subject, I can almost instantly undertand that the terms are not used consistently from one writer to the other. I use the term "BioLogos" that Collins suggested so as to refer tio "theistic evolution which accepts the biological validity of the theory of evolution". Many people could confuse that with the Intelligent Design movement. Many people claim that theistic evolution is not science but religious dogma. This is not true. Science is the logical explanation of phenomena in our cosmos. Ancient Greeks saw things and they thought hard to explain them. So they reached to the theory that the world is composed of atoms, even without having the tools we have today! These ancient Greeks are regarded highly as the first scientists. In a similar way, the Intelligent Design supporters simply suggest a logical explanation of the facts they see (like the fact that all Universe parameters have exactly the values needed to support human life), in the same way as people who believe in Evolution suggest another. Neither of them has hard data - i.e. scientific measurements to illustrate how or what created the universe. Thus, "soft" logic (in contradiction to "hard" mathematical logic) is our only means of finding out how the universe was created. Maybe in the future another explanation is found. But at this point our logic says that not everything is based on chance. Godel, the greatest logician after Aristole, concluded logically that God exists. Thus, Intelligent Design is logical thus scientific.
Moreover, saying that chance is the source of our existence (as evolutionarists do claim), is highly un-scientific. Science from the beginning of time tried to find logical explanations to things and never relied on chance to explain various phenomena. Science from the beginning of time tries to find the causes of all phenomena, so it is rather ironic that some scientists claim that there is no initial cause. It is not logical to say that every event has a cause, but that the universe it self has not! After all, when examining an event, e.g. a glass of water that falls on the ground, you try to find the initial cause. If you say that "the glass fell because of the law of gravity" you would have "cheated". You did not find THE cause, you just stated the first-most immediate cause. For your analysis to be complete, you must find the cause of the law of gravity, the cause of that cause etc...If no initial cause exists (God?), then actually the simple phenomenon of the glass falling has no cause at all! The world would stop from being intelligible...
Most scientists I speak to believe in the existence of a God. Other scientists do not. There is a controversy over the matter. The fact that the theory of evolution has not convinced so many years after its initial proposal, shows something that noone should ignore: it seems as though the Evolution theory has crossed its boundaries of expertise and falsely claim knowledge of things it cannot prove or justify. Explaining how fish evolved does not necessarily mean that we have explained the purpose of the Universe!
 
The difficulty in explaining *everything* with one theory (e.g. theory of evolution) is clearly depicted by the following video of Richard Dawkins interview. In that interview Dawkins was asked to name one biological process that increases the information in the genome, thus leading to new more evolved species. Richard Dawkins simply did not answer...
 

Dawkins fails to explain information increase via evolutionary process

 
Important note: Please do not confuse the main point here by paying attention on the fact that this video is tagged as "Richard Dawkins stumped by creationists' question". I am not a creationist and this page is not a page that promotes their ideas. YouTube videos have titles of their own and I cannot change them.
 
And do not forget that the notion of design exists even in the theory of evolution. All species evolve in a way so that the fittest to an environment survives over the least-fit species. This means that the evolution process is 'designed' to promote the survival of the fittest (and not, for example, the survival of the weakest animal thus leading to the degradation of our civilization). Who or what gave that 'purpose' to the evolution mechanism?
Be logical is the only way to reach truth - and logic says that when you play at a casino your chance will finally give you up and you will loose all your money...
 

Bibliography

1. 'Dissent Over Descent', Steve Fuller.
2. 'The Origin of Human Races and the Antiquity of Man Deduced From the Theory of Natural Selection', Alfred Russel Wallace (S93: 1864).
3. http://www.discovery.org
4. http://www.intelligentdesignnetwork.org/
6. The Language of God: A Scientist Presents Evidence for Belief, Francis Collins, Free Press, USA, 2006.
7. 'Notes Added to the Second Edition of Contributions to the Theory of Natural Selection', Alfred Russel Wallace (S716: 1871) [http://www.wku.edu/~smithch/index1.htm].
8. 'The Limits of Natural Selection as Applied to Man', Alfred Russel Wallace (S165: 1869/1870) [http://www.wku.edu/~smithch/wallace/S165.htm].
 

References

  1. The Growth of Biological Thought: Diversity, Evolution, and Inheritance, Ernst Mayr, Cambridge, Mass: Belknap Press. ISBN 0-674-36446-5.
  2. Modern evolutionary synthesis [Wikipedia article]
  3. Evolution, Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy
  4. Physicalism (Materialism) [Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy]
  5. Russel Wallace and Evolution Theory
  6. Francis Collins
  7. "I’ve found God, says man who cracked the genome", The Times, June 11, 2006
  8. BioLogos [Wikipedia]
  9. The Language of God: A Scientist Presents Evidence for Belief, Francis Collins, Free Press, USA, 2006.
  10. The Evolution of Evolutionary Theory

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Copy-Paste from Knol-to-Knol?

I have started and written this article about Evolution and Intelligent Design a long time ago. However I just noticed that two people in Knol have copied the article as it is and posted it again under their own name! These copy-knols can be found at http://knol.google.com/k/sai-praneeth/evolution-and-intelligent-design-the/397vpp4zz6bzj/2 and at http://knol.google.com/k/anonymous/evolution-and-intelligent-design-the/wahdvup5cvdy/4?domain=knol.google.com&locale=en. Besides copying from other sites, have some people now started copying from Knol to Knol ?!?!? Offenders have been reported. All honest Knol authors, keep an eye for such cases and report them immediatelly to "Knol Help" or to "Plagiarism on Knol".

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Found myself many times

Spiros --

You've written a 4-star Knol. To be 5-star you simply need to edit it to fix typos and spellings, improve paragraph spacings and work on the syntax a little for improved comprehension. It's a wonderful piece of work and I celebrate and encourage the effort. This is a very important arena for human understanding.

On the subject matter, I discovered myself many times. All my life I've maintained a "Grand Architect" theory. Some of my family and friends see me as an atheist. In reality I'm more BioLogos and you've explained why.

On the question or observation of Altruism, there is a growing body of empirical evidence showing altruistic behavior in other creatures, notably and visibly among elephants. As a long time dog owner, I've witnessed "kindness" between animals many times (though not as often as the opposite). And we've actually witnessed inter-species cases in dolphins and orcas, thanks to all those people running around with cameras and camcorders.

I look forward to the 5-star version, which I'll make a favorite.

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Is your theory simply that a Designer created the universe with its physical laws as we see them and sat back to watch them unfold (evolve)? That is fine, but I do not think it needs a fancy name. And I think your arguments for it are not very strong.

(5) Because we are designers, and there may have been other designers in our biological history, it does not follow that there needs to a Designer. As one of the other commenters has said, you should read (and review for us!) 'The Selfish Gene'

(4) If the universe did not have these properties, would we be here to comment on it, hmmm? Your argument (4) reminds me of the argument in 'Candide': "Observe that noses were made to wear spectacles; and so we have spectacles."

(3) It is easy to explain how altruism could arise through group selection. A group whose members cooperate with one another and are willing to make sacrifices for one another will prosper at the expense of groups that are more fractious and selfish. The group will want to reinforce these tendencies (good for the group, even if bad for individuals) through cultural mechanisms, and so humans do. The altruistic behaviour you mention is seen among members of other 'pack' animals subject to similar selection pressures, I believe.

(2) This argument hinges on the fact only that *you* want to believe there is a purpose; why should there be a purpose? (Of course I also want to believe there is a purpose- but preying on other people's hopes, instead of appealing to reason, is improper.)

(1) I agree that the universe looks like a caused thing; but we do not know how far up the 'ladder of causality' it might be, or what could conceivably have caused it; it might have spontaneously congealed out of some pre-existing quantum froth; it might have been designed with meticulous care; it might have been thrown together in a slapdash way to meet quota, etc..

Far more important to me than the question of whether the universe had a Designer or not is, Can the properties of the universe we observe be reconciled with a Designer who is good? I think this can best be done by minimising the role of the Designer in bringing into existence the suffering and evil we see in the natural world. It is not clear to me how your theory does that.

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Evolution is not based upon scientific principles. Evolution has no proof, and it is only a religion based on faith.
Evolution/The Big Bang/etc. can not be experimented on or observed; only hypothesized about. This places Evolution outside of the realm of science.
Evolution is not reconcilable with Scripture. The Bible teaches that God created the world in 6 literal, 24-hour days; Evolution states that the world came into existence through billions of years of mistakes.
I hope that all who read this will also check out the resources at www.answersingenesis.org

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" Wallace was the person who first published the theory of evolution, one year before Darwin published the same exactly theory." Not so, there are many earlier scientists who did this (among others Darwin's grandfather Erasmus Darwin). What is new about Wallace and Charles Darwin is the mechanism they proposed: natural selection. See:

http://knol.google.com/k/klaus-rohde/free-markets-and-free-trade-ecology-and/xk923bc3gp4/25#

http://knol.google.com/k/klaus-rohde/richard-dawkins-the-god-delusion-terry/xk923bc3gp4/60#edit

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Science is logical... Religion is not... You can't mix them... Part 2

NO OFFENSE INTENDED...
My comment was not “aimed” at what you said in your knol. My comment was “aimed” at all the things I have heard proponents of “Intelligent Design” say. The people who aggressively push for “Intelligent Design” to be taught in the schools along side of “Evolution”, are the same people who did everything possible to suppress and legally ban the teaching of “Evolution”. The concept of “Intelligent Design” was invented by “Creationists”, who failed in their attempt to suppress “Evolution”. My objection to “Intelligent Design” is that it is just another attempt to destroy “Evolution”. The people who created “Intelligent Design”, would never, ever accept the scientific fact that “man” and the “apes” descended from a common ancestor.

I believe in a “God”, but I see no conflict in believing in a God, and believing that “man” and the “apes” descended from a common ancestor. I certainly don’t believe that God created “Adam & Eve”, and that all people are descended from them. Nor do I believe that the Bible was “divinely inspired”. The Bible was compiled and written and edited by men, by Romans hundreds of years after Jesus died, who were creating a new “state religion” for the Roman Empire called the “Roman Catholic Church”.

If you want a “First Cause” and say the “the Big Bang” of Astrophysics was God creating the Universe, I see no conflict. But if “God always was, and always will be”, (no First Cause), it is just as possible (or logical) to say that “the Universe always was, and always will be”, or that the Universe Is God. But I certainly don’t believe the Bible story of Creation.

I know the Spirit World as a fact, because I have experienced it. So I know there is an after life when we die. I also know that there is absolutely no way anyone could apply “Aristotle’s logic” to it. The Spirit World contains every contradictory thing that man has ever imagined. It even contains “the Elysian Fields” of the ancient Greeks !!!. And everyone else’s hells and heavens, and every kind of creature in the universe.

Evolution describes the very consistent and logical laws of the Physical Earth World, based on observation. It is open to change. There is no “good” and “evil”.

Religion deals with the Spirit World , as interpreted (mostly) by people who have never observed it. Religion is based on rigid “Dogma” and “good & evil”, and already has all the answers. It has no place for logic (unless it gives you the pre-prescribed “correct” answer). “Intelligent Design” has not place in “Serious Science”, any more than “Intelligent Physics”, “Intelligent Mathematics”, or “Intelligent Astronomy”, and so on.


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Science is logical... Religion is not... You can't mix them.

The main objection that people have to "Intelligent Design" is that it comes packaged with a "Jewish-Christian God"... Implying that "Evolution" is a part of Christian Theology... Christian Fundamentalists first tried to ban the teaching of Evolution. They lost that battle. So now they have come up with "Intelligent Design" as a way to "control" the "teaching of Evolution"... fundamentalist Christians are trying to "co-opt Evolution", and inject "their Christian God concept" into it. They want to "define" Evolution in a way that they "approve of."... (next thing you know, they would be accusing the "stem cell research people" of committing "sins against evolution"... The Fundamentalist Christians are very illogical people, who believe every word of the Bible in a literal sense, word for word. If the Bible says God created Adam, you will never convince them that man evolved from the same common ancestor as the apes. Evolution is a very logical scientific concept, mixing it with very illogical religious fanaticism, would only harm the teaching of evolution"... which is why religious fundamentalist are pushing it... Intelligent Design is an attack on the teaching of evolution...... The next problem is that if you say "evolution" is God's "Intelligent Design"... Which God are you talking about... Every group of people on the planet have a God/Goddess,and a "creation of the world/universe myth , and they are his/her chosen people... But even if we stick with the Christian God/Gods we still have problems...... The Roman Emperor Constantine (Emperor from 306 - 337 A.D.) made Christianity a state religion of the Roman Empire, with himself as the "pontifex Maximus" ("High Priest" in Latin) of the Christian Church, and organized the various squabbling sects of Christians in the Roman Empire into one single organized Religion called the "Roman Catholic Church"... "Catholic" means "Universal" in Latin, so the name of the new state religion was the "Roman Universal Church"... A Church that was intended to be universal enough, to include all Romans...... When the Roman Emperor Constantine adopted Christianity as a new state religion of the Roman Empire, Christianity was already hundreds of years old. During this time the Christian Communities had diverged in both the Philosophy and Practice of their religion. Constantine created the Roman Universal (Catholic) Church as a way to combine the divergent views, and to create the three necessary "God Concepts" for the three groups of citizens (pleasure seekers, power seekers, and wisdom seekers) in the empire. This was done to prevent the "pleasure seekers" or "power seekers" from debasing and corrupting the "God of the Wisdom Seekers", down to the "God of the Power Seekers", or the "God of the Pleasure Seekers"... Constantine was a Greek, and the Greeks (since ancient times) have worshiped "Divine Wisdom'' (Hagia Sophia, which means "Divine Wisdom" in Greek) as the "highest" and most "true" God Concept... This is why the Great Church of Constantinople was called "The Church of Hagia Sophia". But because the large mass of the people could not "understand" an abstract concept of God, "God the Son" (Christ), and "God the Father" (The Jewish God Jehovah) were also necessary. This was to include those Christians that worshiped Christ as "The God", and those Christians who saw Christianity as "reformed Judaism and worshiped "Jehovah" as "The God"... Christ and Jehovah are included as "avatars" of "The Holy Spirit" (Divine Wisdom)...... "God the Father" (Jehovah) is the stern "policeman" of the "pleasure seekers". The God of the great mass of the people ("hoi polloi", meaning "the many" in Greek) who spend their lives seeking money and pleasure. God the Father restrains these people who have no self control. This great mass of the people are kept under control because God the Father is an all seeing jealous and vengeful God, who threatens fire and brimstone as punishment for those who disobey him... This is the God of the (Jewish) Old Testament who creates the sun, moon, earth. etc,... and Adam & Eve... So He would be the one that the fundamentalist Christians would say is responsible for "intelligent design"... But consider that "God the Father" is a "HE"... He is male (defined as having a penis and balls), so there must be a female Goddess who gave birth to him, or to have sex with him... Why else would a God be a "He" and have sex organs ? So how could "God the Father" be a Monotheistic God ? (Also remember that Jehovah created Adam in his own image and likeness... and why would Adam already have a penis and balls, if Eve was just Jehovah's after thought)... How do you combine this with something as logical as Evolution...... God the Son (Jesus) can't be responsible for "intelligent design", because he was a produce of it...... God the Holy Ghost is a sexless monotheistic God... and would be the Christian God that would logically be responsible for "Intelligent Design". But t...

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To Question Everything it's a part of our evolutive process.

I believe Darwin was correct but it has been proven that he was not 100% correct. This theory Intelligent Design is very interesting and it makes some sense and unlikely what people say, it's not Anti-Darwinian. I saw Anne Dambricourt Malassé being basically joked by the Darwinists that were in the room when they didn't even analyzed her theory correctly. Everything must be analyzed and questioned that's the natural evolutionary step. My English is not perfect, sorry if this text is not so clear.

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There is no ultimate truth

The debate on Evolution and Intelligent Design theories is always based on the common misconception that an "ultimate truth" exists and that science is the only way to reach to it. Before posting any comments stating that I am wrong and you are right, please read my other knols "Limits of Science" and "Religional Science" first.

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Complementary clarifications

If anyone who reads my article has any objection concerning the arguments in favour the "divine purpose" of humans or the existence of God, then he should try to read my "Religional Science" knol first before posting a question.

Thanks in advance.

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